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Siemens PLC UA server - too many monitored items in the subscription

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27 Sep 2024 09:16 #13183 by support
In addition, can you please confirm that the limit is 200 monitored items per subscription for this server? And, do you know if it is fixed, or can it be configured somewhere on the PLC?

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27 Sep 2024 09:02 #13182 by support
Hello, thanks again.

Yeah, that is what I was afraid of. These specific server variables have been added in OPC UA specification version 1.05.01 so it is possible that the server does not have them. So, in order to help you with this server, we need not just to split the subscriptions, but also have a way to specify the maximum number of items in a subscription externally - as you suggested. Hopefully there won't be a too-small limit on on the number of subscriptions (but that you will figure out with the "workaround" test anyway).

Regards

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27 Sep 2024 08:53 #13181 by Nowok
I ran these two commands but it seems Siemens PLC 1500 OPC UA doesn't implement these items. Could you consider adding similar paramater in QuickOPC library if given server doesn't give proper infotmation? I mean - if OPC server implements MaxMonitoredItemsPerSubscription let QuickOPC uses this value when creating subscriptions. But if not let QuickOPC client give an option to force number of tags in one group by setting some property?

Anyway I've implemented subscribing groups of tags with updte rates of 1000,1010, 1020... ms and will check if all tags will be read correctly.
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27 Sep 2024 08:02 #13179 by support
Hello, and thank you.

1) We have decided to implement the handling of MaxMonitoredItemsPerSubscription - and automatically create more subscriptions if needed. It will be QuickOPC 2024.2; release date is likely in November 2024.

2) As it turned out, the "surveying" algorithm in the OpcCmd version you have does not yet collect all the info I wanted. Consequently, I still cannot confirm that the above mentioned change will work with your server, because I do not know for sure if it reports the right numbers to us. If you have time, I would like to ask you to kindly also capture the output of the following two commands (with the endpoint URL changed to your server):
uaClient read //opcua.demo-this.com:51210/UA/SampleServer i=24104
uaClient read //opcua.demo-this.com:51210/UA/SampleServer i=24096

Best regards

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27 Sep 2024 06:44 #13177 by Nowok
Sorry for late answer, I was very busy on some commissioning. Thanks for explanation. I'll use workaround for now, but I'm sending server's properties in the atachement.
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20 Sep 2024 09:09 - 20 Sep 2024 18:06 #13174 by support
Hello.

The OPC UA specification defines variables which the server can use to announce to its clients which capabilities and limits it has, so that the clients can adjust accordingly.
In an ideal world, this will work like this:

1) The server will correctly expose and fill in the capabilities/limits variables.
2) The client (QuickOPC, in this case) will correctly interpret them and attempt to adjust, where possible.

On the client side, QuickOPC currently does *some* of it, but not all. Specifically, in version 2024.1, it honors the "MaxMonitoredItemsPerCall" variable, but it does not honor the "MaxMonitoredItemsPerSubscription" variable, and this can be the reason for the behavior you observed.

We have a work item to also provide support for "MaxMonitoredItemsPerSubscription" and if needed, create more subscriptions to accommodate for larger number of monitored items, but it has not been assigned a target release yet. I may be able to squeeze it into the upcoming QuickOPC 2024.2 release which is probably going to be out in November. But for it to make sense for you, we want to be sure that the requirements are also fulfilled on the server side - i.e. that the server announces its limits properly.

To verify this, can you please use our OpcCmd utility, and issue a following command, replacing the endpoint URL of our demo server with the endpoint of your server:
OpcCmd uaClient collectSoftwareInfo //opcua.demo-this.com:51210/UA/SampleServer
This collects various info about the server, including the capabilities and limits, and displays a table.

Once you know that the command is working, start it again (from the Windows command prompt), and this time redirect the output to a text file, by appending e.g. "> output.txt" to the end of the command line.Then, post the resulting output.txt file here; or email to support09 (at) opclabs.com if there is privacy concern; but you can verify that the contents of the file is actually just software info, there should be nothing "private" in it anyway.

If you need a solution right now, I can only offer an ugly workaround:

Choose a somewhat different monitored item arguments for different sets of items. For example, use sampling rate 1000 with first 200 items, and then use sampling rate 998 with the second set of 200 items, and so on (make at least 2 milliseconds difference). This will cause QuickOPC to maintain separate subscriptions.

It would also be possible to use multiple EasyUAClient objects with Isolated = true setting, but that is even uglier, because it would cause separate sessions to the server, so this requires even more resources and you would likely hit another server limit soon.

Best regards
Last edit: 20 Sep 2024 18:06 by support. Reason: improved the sampling rates workaround description

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19 Sep 2024 09:21 #13173 by Nowok
With some Siemens PLC we reached error telling us that there are too many monitored items in the subscription.Is it possible to force QuickOPC to create new subscriptions according to the set requirements (e.g. we want one subscription to have a maximum of 200 variables)?

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